In episode six, the first of 2023, 2014 graduate of The Sage Colleges, Jared Schafer joins me for a conversation about 3D motion graphics, water-cooled computers, and creating animated videos for virtual reality. He talks about instead of watching TV he enjoyed a healthy drawing competition with his brother when they were kids that developed his illustration passion and skills. We also discuss the challenges of InDesign, hating web design, and having side projects to fuel your creativity as well as the 20 dudes that would buy what results from those side projects. And Jared talks about finding design after he tried a few other things in his 20s, like playing guitar, video games, and tending bar. If you’re ready for the honest truth, press play now.