The husband and wife team at Macaroni Creative, Ron Gibbons and Mackenzie Carey, join me in episode three. We discuss designing for consumer packaged goods, leaving their full-time jobs to start their own design firm, and being the only designers in the room. They share the challenges of teaching an online course (“props to our teachers” —Mackenzie) on Nerdabe.com and streaming their design process on Adobe Live. We talk about all this and more while New York City fire trucks drive by and the dogs, Harvey and Milo, sleep at their feet. Did somebody say Greenies?